What Are We, Exactly?

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Jan
8

A female friend of mine, Megan, has been dating the same guy for a couple months now. At a party recently she was talking to me and one of her girlfriends, Karen, about a conversation she wanted to initiate with this guy. The two of them were already spending multiple nights a week together and had decided to be exclusive, but she wasn't sure about their "status" – were they boyfriend and girlfriend? – and this was bothering Megan. Although she used different words, she basically wanted to have what I call the "what are we, exactly?" conversation.

But Karen and I were shaking our heads before Megan even finished describing the talk. Karen's obviously not a guy, but she is recently married and known for telling it like it is, and if anything, her reaction was more negative than mine.

So what, you might ask, is wrong with a conversation that begins with some version of "what are we, exactly?" Really, Megan just wanted to know if Mark thought of her as his girlfriend. Yes, they were exclusive, but she wanted some other reassurance from him, even though she knew the terms "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" were basically meaningless. Still, seems fair, right? So why not?

For starters, it's really hard to initiate this kind of conversation without at least seeming to come from a place of fear or insecurity. You can act as flippant and carefree as you want, but the subtext is: it's early but I already don't feel secure about our relationship. From the guy perspective, this conversation feels almost instinctively like a trap. Not only do we hear insecurity, but rightly or wrongly, we hear that we're supposed to take responsibility for it. To a guy the beginning of this conversations sounds something like: "not only do I need this relationship to be more defined, but I need you to define it so that I can feel good about myself." And even if that's not what's intended, it never really feels fair.

It's not smart, either, not if your relationship is in its early stages and you're truly interested in developing it further. One very simple way to understand the guy perspective on this (and on many things) is to try to imagine the other side. Are you attracted to guys who convey a sense of insecurity early in the relationship? Say you're cruising along in an exclusive dating relationship with a guy who you like and haven't ruled out for the long term, and then one day he says: "are you my girlfriend?" How do you respond? "I don't know, am I?" It's just not a fair question.

But wait, you might say: isn't clarity a fair thing to ask for in a relationship? Sure. There are situations when it's important to have a defining conversation, and the right guy will understand that. For instance, when you're deciding to be exclusive, or when you're using the "L" word for the first time, or when you've gotten really serious and you're talking about moving in together. But the difference with these conversations is that something concrete can actually be expressed or decided. Although these talks can still be delicate, they are legitimate and important. When brought up at an appropriate time, guys are more likely to respect a conversation with a goal or a decision to be made, even if it makes them uncomfortable. And if this conversation does scare the guy away, you were ready, he wasn't, and it wasn't meant to be. But stay away from the wishy-washy, high school-era "what are we?" conversation. It's not likely to change anything, except for the worse.

Karen went even further than I did in response to Megan. "Don't ever try to have that conversation. It just sounds whiny and sad." But she added an important qualifier. "Maybe, if you're really just having the conversation out of the blue, when you're loose and feeling good with him and it just comes up, that might be ok. But as soon as you spend more than two seconds thinking about it, don't do it. The slightest bit of planning will telegraph that what you're really talking about is your own insecurity."

Confidence – why it matters, how to grow and maintain it, and how to recognize it in a guy – will be a major theme of this blog. Stay tuned for the next post from The Guy Perspective on how guys recognize and respond to true confidence in a woman.

8 comments

Anonymous

So I asked the guy I'm currently seeing "What are we doing?" about a month into our relationship (we met while on vacation and are doing long distance, and it just slipped out of my mouth on a visit). He responded with "I'm crazy about you and I want to keep seeing you," and I was cool with that, and it's two and a half months later and he's still seeing me so I guess it didn't totally scare him off. But now I want to have the "are we exclusive or not?" conversation, which we have not had yet. We have both (very) casually expressed that we don't want to see other people a few months ago, but we never really had a talk about it. He also casually referred to the concierge calling me his girlfriend on his last visit (i.e. "the guy at the desk told me to bring these cookies to my girlfriend"). I responded with "that was nice of him!" (to the cookies part). Is that significant? Should I bring something up, or have we already established exclusivity? Is there a good way to bring it up? I don't care about labels, I just want to know how he feels about being formally exclusive.

Sorry if that was all over the place, I just want to give this relationship the best chance possible and I am confused.

ethanfburke

Your question isn't all over the place, and it's a good one.

Since you already got such a positive response to your "what are we doing?" question earlier, and it's now been two and a half months and it seems like things are going really smoothly, I would go ahead and introduce the conversation. But first, think a little bit about how you want to bring it up. Are you really asking him what he wants, or are you telling him what you want? One thing I didn't cover in writing about the "what are we?" question is the way it puts all the onus on the person (more often the guy) who is being asked. Instead of coming across as a question, the message is more like: "I want something more, and even though I'm not saying what it is, I want you to agree with me." Although this might not be an issue in your particular situation, I would still use the good practice of expressing what you want and asking what he wants at the same time, to show that you're open to having a real, back-and-forth conversation about it. My gut tells me this guy will be glad to establish exclusivity with you, but bringing it up the right way will only help build a foundation for clear communication between you down the road.

Good luck!

Anonymous

That's a really good point. I do want to have an actual mutual conversation about it, and I definitely don't want to put all of the pressure on him, so I'll make sure to both put what I'm interested in out there and ask him if he would be interested in the same. Thanks so much, this is great advice. I'll bring it up on our next visit :)

Anonymous

I just found this blog, and I love it!

It's funny you wrote this article, its not that I wanted to ask my guy what our status was, but "boyfriend" slipped out accidently while talking to friends. I was sort of wondering if that was okay. I'm assuming yes, but i haven't been in a new relationship in a while so I don't know what the "rules" are :p I thought about asking him, but after reading this article I decided its not that important.

:) Amelia

ethanfburke

Thanks Amelia!

You made the right move in deciding it's not important to bring up. Having a big conversation about it would probably make a way bigger impression than having used the "b" word once in passing.

Anonymous

I just found your blog and I think it is pretty cool. Regarding this topic, I don't think it is bad idea to set the ground in the begining. Not necessary "who are we" but "what am I looking for". If I am looking for serious relationship which will lead to marriage, it is better to let guy know my expectation during dating stage that way those looking for "fun" can step away. Correct me if I am wrong, is that why I am still single because I tell guys why I am dating them

ethanfburke

Thanks for your comment and question. The reality is a lot of guys will be more comfortable with a commitment that develops naturally, without a preconceived expectation that commitment is the goal. So if you really need to have a "what am I looking for" conversation, I would make it as casual and hypothetical as possible. There may come a time when you need to tell a guy to s*** or get off the pot, but the dating stage is not usually that time. Guys who are just looking for "fun" will find other ways to eliminate themselves from your consideration -- usually when things just don't feel right to you anymore.

The couple I wrote about in this two-year-old post, Megan and Mark, have been happily living together for over a year now. So for Megan, not forcing the conversation based on her own anxiety definitely worked out the way she'd hoped!

Anonymous

HI Ethan,
Your blog is great! I added it to my Google Reader. I totally agree on you with this. I think people definitely jump into wanting to define things when both people are still trying to work out how they feel about each other; and should hopefully just be enjoying learning about the other person and developing those small steps of trust and intimacy that are the building blocks of new relationships.
Susan

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